cuts to find over ten years, have about $225 billion of cuts spread across government and secretary panetta said we can find savings. just don't give us a number that's too ugly or big. there are specifics and things we can do this year to avoid the sequestration effect. >> mr. kaine, this week the u.s. supreme court is going to tackle the issue of affirmative action. do you think a college applicant's race should be a factor in whether or not they're admitted to a virginia college? >> the supreme court will tackle this case, which i think they last sort of dealt with in two cases from the university of michigan in the early part of the 2000's. the issue there and issue spending today, do our public colleges accept students and student body that sort of look like the state or look like the population they serve? my kids have gone to the public schools in richmond. they've come up in classrooms that are extremely diverse. they've gotten really good academic education but they've also really gotten spectacular education in living with the folks who are the real virginia today. we're increasin